HSUS Controversy

Posted on May 15th, 2009 in Animal Welfare, Pet Charity, Pets in the News

I recently had a post up about the Humane Society of the United States helping with national puppy mills legislation. As a supporter of HSUS, I was quite shocked to read some of the comments the post got. There are a few people out there alleging that HSUS and it’s CEO, Wayne Pacelle, are as radical as PETA, and are against pet ownership. These supposed claims have no real source and someone in the comments did ask for real proof, but the visitors never came back to offer it up.

Here are some of the comments. After reading them, tell me what you think about HSUS.

From HSUS Truth: “Umm, have you looked at the HSUS tax return posted on their web site? Or better yet their 3 R’s policy which states replacing animal based food with plant based food? Get the facts people, HSUS and Wayne Pacelle want a vegan America, nothing else. Only 4 cents of every HSUS donation dollar goes to shelters, rescues, etc. HSUS CEO Wayne Pacelle made a quarter million dollars in salary and benfits in 2007. Get the facts before making uneducated statements. ”

From ClenorDoll606:  ”These folks are the typical pro Humane Society of America and Wayne Pacelle followers: Believe everything HSUS and Wayne Pacelle says so they can act out the HSUS agenda. But what these folks don’t know is the true Wayne Pacelle and HSUS agenda: Complete animals liberation and no animals ownership. Yes folks, that’s right! No dogs, no cats, no pets, period.

H$U$ does not SUPPORT or is AFFFILIATED WITH local humane society shelters as their name may suggest. They are the WEALTHIEST animal activist group in the nation. It is disgusting how they spend the donations. Don’t believe me? Look at their public tax return posted on their site and do the math. It’s all about power and money with HSUS, not about taking care of animals.”

From Renee:  “Let’s avoid more stupid laws that our elected officials will manipulate to death and just stop buying puppies from these supposed puppy mills. But, we all claim our dog game from a reputable breeder, not one of those “mills”. Well, how do you define a mill? And how do you define what humane is since the word’s root is human. Animals are not humans therefore they cannot be treated humanely. Animals should have there needs met; food, water, shelter. So, next time you buy a purebred dog how will you really know it wasn’t born in one of those “mills” you are trying to shut down. And for those who think HSUS is honest, you do realize they want to end all pet ownership right? http://consumerfreedom.com/

From Carie: “@renee you show me a CREDIBLE source that says that HSUS wants to end pet ownership, and I’ll believe you. Until then, stop spreading lies just because you don’t agree.

The HSUS does NOT want to end pet ownership. The CCF is NOT a credible source – they are the ones who go after Mothers Against Drunk Driving for crying out loud! They are a front group for the alcohol and tobacco industries, and are against ANYthing that protects animals.

in plain english, they are full of sh*t and you should be ashamed of yourself for falling into their trap.”

Ashleigh says:  ”ConsumerFreedom is like, the most unreliable fabricated site on the net! I wouldnt believe a word on there! HSUS does great work and they have made great strides, I agree with Lynn.”

I agree with Carie that the CCF is far from being a credible source. This is a well-known fact. Now that’s a group with an agenda.

Furthermore, another post I wrote recently about Ohio legislative updates garnered more vicious comments about HSUS.

protecting-our-pets said:  “Stop HSUS and Wayne Pacelle before they take our pets away. HSUS CEO Wayne Pacelle was quoted saying he has no problem with the extinction of domestic animals. Yes that means our beloved cats and dogs. Stop donating to this animal terrorist organization! Please!”

Tell me what you think about HSUS, the nay-sayers, and the CCF’s allegations. Is this just people disagreeing with the organization?

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46 Responses to “HSUS Controversy”

  1. B&E says:

    This is ridiculous. HSUS being against pet ownership? I DONT THINK SO. This is a totally false claim by an organization pushing its own agenda, being believed by people who are too naive to look at the facts about what HSUS has done for this country’s animals, not to mention other countries’ animals. I call bulls**t on these naysayers.

  2. LYNN says:

    I agree with B&E. This is totally unfounded and ridiculous. Too bad someone from HSUS can’t get a hold of this and set it straight. We should be used to the anti-animal welfare sect by now I guess. They are always trying to poison the Kool-Aid for others and get people the believe them. Wont work on this girl. GO HSUS!

  3. Carie says:

    @lynn, disclaimer: i work for the HSUS. Let me set the record straight – we are NOT against pet ownership, and I’m telling you this as my rescued pitbull is sitting next to me in my cube, at the HSUS office. do you think anyone would work here if the organization we love and work so hard for told us we were wrong to have pets? The pets that enrich our lives and we treat like family members? No way.

    Let me be totally transparent for a second. Does the HSUS run your local shelter? no. does that mean they don’t do anything for them? absolutely not. every year they hold the largest shelter conference in the US. they provide educational programs and training classes. they assist local shelters in disaster situations. They have their own spay/neuter clinic. they run several animal sanctuaries. The HSUS was not started to run your local shelter. they were started to deal with animal protection issues on a larger scale, and they are making great strides in this.

    thank you Lynn and B&E for seeing through these lies. The CCF is funded by companies that don’t care about animals, and are threatened by laws that require them to treat them more humanely. I hope people will do their research before listening to and spreading what they hear from these sources.

    The HSUS has one agenda: to make sure ALL animals are treated humanely. period.

  4. AnimalLuvr says:

    We agree with JL’s first point. These are “supposed claims with no real proof.” This is all crap that radicals are trying to stir up. PETA is the one that is against pet ownership. The HSUS does so much to protect our pets. I can’t believe I’m even commenting because these people’s claims are just so ridiculous its not even worth giving them lip service. @ HSUS Truth, protecting-our-pets and the others: you have no legitimate resources or proof. Stop spreading misinformation.

  5. Hillary says:

    Like Carie, I work at the HSUS. I’ve also worked for local humane societies including a large urban shelter and, more recently, a small rural shelter. My feeling has always been that the HSUS complements and expands upon the good work of the animal sheltering community by advancing animal protection at a national (and international) level.

    Just look at the strides we’ve made on ending Canada’s cruel seal hunt or the fact that all 50 states now have felony dogfighting laws or the 80+ neglected mustangs from a Nebraska cruelty case who are now living at our Black Beauty sanctuary in Texas.

    I certainly realize that our mission won’t find agreement in every quarter, but please don’t buy into the smear campaign being orchestrated by the cynically named, industry funded Center for Consumer Freedom. At the end of the day, our best allies are those who can critically evaluate ALL sources of information. Thanks for the opportunity to weigh in.

  6. Ginger K says:

    Anyone who thinks the HSUS is anti-pet-ownership is crazy. They are trying to help pets as well as wild animals.

    I just started using dogreatgood.com for searching on the internet as they agree there is a need to help animals and will donate to pet rescue charities including the HSUS when using it to search.

    Glad to hear of a way to help out pet organizations with something as simple as searching the internet.

  7. Amy says:

    I am totally for animal welfare and making sure animals are properly cared for. However, HSUS is only about animal rights, and putting an end to all animals in captivity. They are all about campaigning to end hunting, fishing, breeding, and meat eating. If you look at their tax return, it states they own over $100 million in stocks in various companies, which is used to control those companies to accomplish their goals.

    They do not actually do any rescues or even own a shelter. Their $80 million a year in donations is used for their campaigns. Their so called training sessions are nothing more than teaching the public how to lobby bills and what bills they should support.

    One of their campaigns is to pass legislation which would require mandatory spay/neuter. Do I believe people should spay/neuter their pets? Absolutely. All my pets are fixed. I have witnessed the heartbreak over losing two dogs that had to be put to sleep because they were not neutered and developed cancer during their senior years when they were too old to have surgery. However, passing these laws only accomplishes putting reputable breeders out of business and does nothing to resolve the problem. Many people do not fix their pets because they cannot afford to or they do not have any way to get there. Money would be better spent building more free or low cost spay/neuter clinics and starting more mobile spay/neuter clinics.

  8. the 4Bs says:

    i would be quite wary of HSUS.

  9. Andrea says:

    Who is telling the truth???? I am not familiar with what is going on here, or the story about HSUS. If it is true that they do nothing for animals,but everything to make themselves richer ($$) then they should be hung up and neutered/spayed themselves, and I would do the honors. How DO you really find out the truth? Someone help me here because I am very pissed off just thinking that they might be BAD people. To the 4B’s…why are you wary. Please respond. Thanks

  10. JL Smith says:

    Hmmm, very interesting comments here so far. Thanks everyone. @ 4Bs, why are you wary? I’m curious to hear your feedback. And @ Hilary and Carie, thank you for weighing in from the HSUS side. I appreciate your feedback very much. I am still confused and actually need to have a look at that tax return I think. I have always trusted HSUS…

  11. Carie says:

    Amy, you’re wrong. The HSUS operates, in conjunction with the Fund for Animals, the Black Beauty Ranch, where horses from a recent rescue operation, that THEY handled, are living out the rest of their lives in sanctuary.

    http://www.hsus.org/horses_equines/news/nebraska_horses_arrive.html

    So don’t tell me they don’t do any rescues or sheltering. And if you still don’t believe me, maybe you should meet our Emergency Services Director. Or, better yet, just look at his Facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1608176381&ref=ts

  12. Karen Jo says:

    I find this all very confusing. I have always believed that the HSUS was there to protect all animals from cruelty and I support that. Aren’t they a non-profit? If their CEO is getting rich, I find that shameful, but I wouldn’t condemn them totally for that.

  13. Amy says:

    Seems to me that HSUS is not so involved with the actual shelters – which is fine- but is more involved in the lobbying for protections of animals. They have helped greatly when it comes to puppy mills, factory farms and seals.

    BTW — Dont even cite the CCF as a source. They are full of crap and criticize organizations like MADD. They are a joke and most people know that.

  14. Barbara says:

    I also work at The HSUS. Like Carie said, we were not, as an organization, created to operate animal shelters–we were created to advocate on the behalf of animals on a national scale.

    As far as services we provide to shelters, check out our website http://www.animalsheltering.org
    We offer the nation’s (world’s?) largest professional animal care conference [this year we had well over 20 (30?) countries represented], we publish the only magazine geared towards shelter professionals (Animal Sheltering magazine), we work every year to ban CO2 chambers (several bills in the works this year), gave out tens of thousands of dollars last year to shelters/rescues to help cope with the foreclosure crisis, and we offer evaluations for shelters to further improve care for the animals and their communities.

    We have an entire department, comprised of many former shelter professionals, that only focuses on Companion Animal issues. We also have our Puppy Mill Campaign, Disaster Services, Animal Fighting Campaign, etc. that SAVES animals EVERY year. This doesn’t include our animal sanctuaries or the work of Humane Society International, Humane Society Veterinary Medical Association or our other affiliates. This doesn’t even include all of the other work we do for other animals AND the environment.

    Anyone interested should check out the latest developments in The HSUS Spay and Neuter Campaign [employs actual research -based marketing]: http://www.hsus.org/pets/issues_affecting_our_pets/pet_overpopulation_and_ownership_statistics/spayneuter_campaign/spay_neuter_campaign.html [It rocks!]

    To say that The HSUS does not support having animals is laughable at best and is obviously easily disputed. It also underscores the lengths industry groups and corporations will go through to discredit an organization that does so much for animals.

    If you want you $ well-spent to protect animals, then The HSUS will definitely give more bang for your buck!

    Side note: It is very cool to see a civil forum that encourages dialog and not demagoguery and hate. Very refreshing. TY.

  15. Carie says:

    The premise that the only valid animal protection work is local sheltering, is false and absurd. Yes, local shelters provide a tremendous resource to our communities. But no, they are not the only ones that help animals. HSUS helps animals on a national scale, something that local shelters just don’t have the capacity to do.

  16. Brian says:

    It seems to me that HSUS is more helpful on a national political level and not so much involved with the actual shelters, which is fine with me. WE need a strong advocate for animals in Washington and that’s what HSUS is. I agree with Carie — local shelters dont have the power to do what HSUS does on a national level. HSUS is a wonderful organization. The CCF is absurd.

  17. Greg says:

    I think the anti-HSUS crowd went overboard by claiming that HSUS is against pet ownership. PETA certainly is (look at all the pets they kill for no good reason…), but not so HSUS.

    I’d take a different tack: HSUS _needs_ pet owners to proliferate as much as possible. That’s their bread & butter. I’d say that HSUS wants pet owners to donate the $100 million per year that they need to push their agenda on everything else. (anti-meat, anti-circuses, anti-fur, anti-medical research, etc…)

    The really sad thing is that most of HSUS’s donors are kindly people who think HSUS is a pet sheltering umbrella group. If they knew what it was, many probably wouldn’t donate.

    So in summary, it’s in HSUS’s interests to make sure as many Americans as possible own pets. That way there’s always a fresh audience to deceive about their core mission.

    Just my 2 cents’ worth.

    -Greg

  18. Andrea says:

    Thanks Barbara (who works at the HSUS)for helping me to understand what HSUS does. We DO need an organization at the national level. Everyone who has said that the local shelters do not have the time and money are absolutely correct. The animals DO need someone in Washington to speak for them. If this is all true, than good luck to you all that work so hard on behalf of these animals. I volunteer at my local shelter (AZ Humane Society) and have seen some horrific dogs, cats, not so much horse’s come into the shelter and it is so disconcerning and heartbreaking. But on the other hand when you see them find a forever(hopefully) home it is so worth it. I wouldn’t give up this commitment for anything. I’m glad I do my part in my community to make a better life for these helpless and sometimes hopeless animals. One more question, if somebody can answer this..How did HSUS get such a bad rap and what started all this?
    Thanks!

  19. JL Smith says:

    Andrea-

    I am fairly certain the bad rap started with the CCF and some viciously radical animal rights groups (we all know who they are) and their individual members. I am still trying to figure it all out myself. Then once the media gets a hold of it, who knows what happens.

    Thanks for commenting.

    Jaime Smith

  20. AmyP says:

    The HSUS is a fantastic organization. Forget the “naysayers” Thats just winged animal rights individuals spreading lies and mistruths. I will always support HSUS.

  21. Mike Ver Steeg says:

    HSUS backs legislation that puts family farmers out of business. With people going hungry in this world, why does HSUS spend millions of dollars lobbying for anti-family farming bills. We should encourage family farmers and allow family farmers to determine the best methods to care for their animals.

  22. Wayne Pacelle's Spray On Tan says:

    Carie,

    You are right, HSUS does do something for local shelters: They charge $4,000 to $20,000 for “expert” consultation fees (per the HSUS web site). Gee thanks, what a great help to these cashed strapped organizations! Way to help the animals! Oh, and CEO Wayne Pacelle does makes a hair shy of a quarter of a MILLION dollars a year in salary and benifits (also he did give himself a raise in 2007). Get the facts please before placing your mandated pro-HSUS employee agenda here. Thank you.

  23. Andrea says:

    I am confused again???? This Wayne Pacelle’s Spray on Tan says about charging shelters exsorberant consulting fees, Wayne’s $250,000 salary, etc. Spray on Tan guy, who are you??? Where do you get YOUR facts from. How do you know so much? I want to believe what most others are writing, that this is a good org. You seem to be out numbered. Tell us all where you got your information from, or shut up. Unless you work for that org., are related to Wayne or have some “inside” information, I choose not to believe you. It sounds like you have something against HSUS, like maybe you were fired by them, something along those lines. THANK YOU!

  24. Ashly says:

    I don’t believe any of this crap about HSUS. They have always been the strongest, most powerful advocate for animals in the nation, and they always will be. I will always support and donate to HSUS.

    And to Andrea — don’t even address people like “Wayne Pacelle Spray on Tan.” They are too chicken shit to even leave a real name, probably left a fake email address, and are just spreading hyperbole and lies by stating misinformation without a valid, credible source.

  25. After being asked if he envisioned a future without pets, Wayne Pacelle was quoted as saying in Bloodties: Nature, Culture and the Hunt, by Ted Kerasote, 1993, page 266,
    “If I had my personal view, perhaps that might take hold. In fact, I don’t want to see another dog or cat born’.”
    I guess that is the answer folks were asking about.

  26. Amy says:

    Imagine Solace:

    you posting a claim to this in no way answers anyone’s question. What Wayne said 16 years ago doesnt really matter TODAY. Not to mention, if no more dogs and cats WERE born, it would take care of the overpopulation problem real fast.

  27. Sue says:

    Not only is the quote 16 years old, Pacelle has responded to the distortion of his words as being opposed to keeping dogs and cats. Here it is: http://hsus.typepad.com/wayne/2007/07/desperate-disto.html

    Of course, the anti-HSUS crowd don’t let facts get in the way of their efforts to smear any attempt to make the lives of animals any better. For those who say investigate HSUS and its “agenda,” I say investigate the groups pushing the anti-HSUS propaganda. The folks who never met an animal welfare bill they didn’t think was the first step in the jack-booted thugs coming to take our puppies or kittens away. These folks are more worried about their “right” to keep a dog chained 24/7 or to put a dog into a fighting pit or to irresponsibly breed dogs who will end up being PTS by shelter workers than they are about the welfare of any non-human animal.

    http://hsus.typepad.com/wayne/2007/08/contract-shille.html

  28. JL Smith says:

    I want to thank everyone for weighing in here. Ultimately, I have to agree with commenters like Sue who back the HSUS and their mission with REAL credible information and sources. I believe its misinformation that HSUS wants to take pet ownership away – that IS a well-known PETA agenda item however. I hope people aren’t confusing the two groups here…

    Thanks for your comments and sources everyone. Keep the conversation up!

    JL Smith

  29. Dagmara says:

    Amy, you’re wrong. HSUS does rescue animals. Their rescue videos are all over the internet if you take the time to search for them.

  30. Sue says:

    On PETA, this is what they say on keeping pets:

    “Contrary to myth, PETA does not want to confiscate animals who are well cared for and ‘set them free.’ What we want is for the population of dogs and cats to be reduced through spaying and neutering and for people to adopt animals (preferably two so that they can keep each other company when their human companions aren’t home) from pounds or shelters—never from pet shops or breeders—thereby reducing suffering in the world.”

    http://www.peta.org/campaigns/ar-petaonpets.asp

    Much of the anti-PETA hype is based on similar decades old quotes from members of PETA not from the current organization itself. PETA, in part due to its own tactics, makes a useful bogeyman, but I’m not sitting here worried they’re coming to take my dogs away.

    Me, I’m more worried about actual suffering that’s going on due to human ignorance and selfishness. A friend just emailed me a picture of hound puppy dropped at the vet’s to be PTS. Twelve weeks old. The person just didn’t want her anymore. That sort of thing will always anger me more than anything PETA does.

  31. James says:

    Carie, you can’t tell me it didn’t hurt to have your rescued pit bull at your side on the day your organization testified in court that newborn pit bull puppies had to die in NC.

    You claim that “The HSUS has one agenda: to make sure ALL animals are treated humanely” – except, of course, for the ones that they fight in court to have killed.

    I’m not sure how you can live with that.

  32. Shelia says:

    My 2nd hand experience with HSUS left a bitter taste in my mouth for them and a sadness that I will never get over. I was one of the volunteers who helped to care for the 145 pit bulldogs (including puppies and nursing mothers). These wonderful, playful and loving dogs were just the ones who got photographed (sneak photos) and sent out to the public to expose what the HSUS REALLY does with seized pit bull dogs from convicted dog fighters. Before this exposure, the HSUS had been killing seized pit bull dogs consistently without any publicity and getting away with it. In my experience with them, they seemed cold and calculated in testifying against these dogs from Wilkes County, N.C. They forced volunteers to return sick puppies that we had been nursing back to health at our homes…to return them to the warehouse where they were being held…and they killed all of them…puppies, nursing mothers, precious innocent dogs. Rescue groups offered to pay expenses to evaluate and take in the dogs that could be saved. But the HSUS refused to co-operate. I was threatened by HSUS (according to the man in charge over us volunteers at the Burke County Fair Grounds) to be indicted for “running my big mouth” and taking photos of the puppies that were to be killed. Yes, I talked…and I talked a lot… begging for help from SOMEONE to save these precious, innocent dogs. They tried to make me look like a criminal under the pretense that I had threatened the security of the location of the dogs. I guarded security tidbits like my life depended on it…and it did because my husband was employed at that warehouse and I would have been risking his safety. I don’t know the full track record of the HSUS so I have no opinion about their over all performance. But from my personal and sickening experience with them (I WAS THERE!)…there is something very wrong going on with them. When we were trying to save the Ed Faron of Wildside Kennel pit bull dogs, HSUS was the enemy to the dogs. Those dogs are dead. Was THAT really in the best interest of the dogs?

  33. Sarah says:

    I also work at the HSUS – First I would recommend that you visit http://hsus.typepad.com/wayne/2009/06/charity-navigator.html. To quote from the blog, Ken Berger, president and CEO of Charity Navigator, wrote in his letter to The HSUS, “Only 7% of the charities we rate have received at least 4 consecutive 4-star evaluations, indicating that The Humane Society of the United States consistently executes its mission in a fiscally responsible way, and outperforms most other charities in America.“
    @Shelia As you probably know, the HSUS has a policy of recommending that all dogs seized from such operations be professionally evaluated to determine whether they are suitable candidates for adoption. Before you get upset – to address the NC case specifically, the HSUS has issued a statement on this, which states that fighting dogs confiscated in raids against organized dogfighting rings should be indivually evaluated before their future is determined. In the case of the dogs seized from professional dogfighter Ed Faron in North Carolina, the HSUS offered to pay for such an evaluation. North Carolina officials however, decided they were bound by state and county law to act as they did. Defining and advocating sensible policies for the humane treatment of animal victims of dogfighting is an important issue, and we are engaged in dialogue with a number of groups with a keen interest in that topic. We welcome the
    Combating the scourge of illegal dogfighting is a top priority of The HSUS, and should be a major concern of all animal-loving Americans. Debates within the humane movement are healthy and valuable – but no one should lose sight of the fact that dogfighters themselves are at the root of suffering that staggers the soul. A single dogfighting breeder like Faron could doom 1,000 dogs or more to bloodly, violent deaths each year in this criminal underground.
    No organization has done as much – or anywhere near as much – as The Humane Society of the United States to shield dogs by ridding the landscape of these professional fighting racketeers. We have staff dedicated to taking on this industry and a plan to dismantle it. Yet, with perhaps as many as 600,000 pit bulls euthanized in shelters each year, there is a larger issue here – the mistreatment of these animals too often for the wrong reasons. For more information please visit our web site at http://www.humanesociety.org/acf/fighting/dogfight/

  34. Will says:

    “One generation and out. We have no problem with the extinction of domestic animals.” –Wayne Pacelle, President of HSUS

    “My goal is the total abolition of all animal agriculture” –Former ALF terrorist & now HSUS coordinator, John Goodwin

    http://greenville.news.sc/2010/01/06/truth-about-the-humane-society-of-the-united-states/

  35. Tim says:

    The good the HSUS has done does not excuse them from all the bad they have done and continue to do.

    Sending out pamphlets with sad looking dogs and cats in shelters to get donations when only 0.5% of your multi-million dollar budget goes to helping them is incredibly dishonest.

    Also, their seal hunt “victories” are tragedies. Killing a seal is no different than killing a deer or cow. How would you like it if a bunch of rich people in India made it illegal to raise and eat cows simply because they believe they shouldn’t be killed?

    An animal welfare group would have just wanted the seals to be killed humanely and in a controlled manner, just like any hunting of an animal. To want it banned completely shows that they are an animal right’s group. They are against eating any animals for food.

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  37. Sammi says:

    Most of the smear about HSUS on comments boards from AKC breeders (and their bizarre hunting friends, and the farm crowd, because puppy milling is farming etc.)

    AKC makes most of its money from puppy mill registrations. Of course, AKC breeders hate HSUS, who wants puppy mill regulation.

    The AKC is corrupt to the core. http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=American_Kennel_Club

    They’ve been lying about humane organizations of all kinds for years. They just lie, and hire lobbyists for millions of dollars to lie.

    The AKC is also involved with this pro-animal abuse and pro-puppy mill lobbyist, who also smears HSUS with lies under the front group for animal abusers and killers called Center For Consumer Freedom http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Center_for_Consumer_Freedom

    CCF actually lobbies for Petland (who sells puppy mill puppies AND has a business arrangement with AKC)

    Here is the AKC board member who works on their puppy mill business, Patti Strand http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php? also title=Patti_Strand who runs a pro-animal abuse lobbying group called NAIA http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=National_Animal_Interest_Alliance

    THESE are the kinds of animal profiteers and abusers who put up the smear comments and lies about HSUS.

    The AKC fanatics and their fellow lobbyists (which, yes, include dog fighters) have been calling anyone who supports animal welfare “terrorists” for years. This is nothing new. They are just attacking HSUS now because HSUS is EFFECTIVE at helping animals.

    All the breeders want is for people to stop sending donations to animal welfare groups so breeders can keep abusing animals with no laws and no opposition.

    And that means greedy animal profiteers and abusers won’t make as much money.

  38. Sammi says:

    Do you want to know why the AKC puppy millers and breeders all jabber on about “pet ownership”

    Because they believe that dogs are OWNED PROPERTY and that they should be able to do whatever they want to their OWNED PROPERTY without laws, including torture animals for profit in puppy mills.

    This is all breeder propaganda speak by very bad people who support doing very bad things to dogs for profit.

    That’s why they call their lobbying days and lobbying groups “Responsible dog OWNER” groups, etc. It’s all about opposing laws that help animals because those laws mean they might make less money, or they might have to get licensed and pay taxes (which they currently cheat on)

    Do a google search for “AKC puppy mills”

    If you care about animals, then you need to learn about how the breeder INDUSTRY operates, and how they lie and propagandize. This is a billion dollar industry. It’s big business, and they lobby with lies like big businesses do.

    Animals have been hurt by this for many years.

    These breeders and their front groups are very tricky, and they hope the naive will fall for their lies, and stop supporting humane groups that really do help animals!

  39. Sammi says:

    Example

    ” passing these mandatory spay neuter laws only accomplishes putting reputable breeders out of business and does nothing to resolve the problem”

    THIS IS PROPAGANDA FROM AKC. AKC has been issuing this WORD FOR WORD for years. This is written by a sneaky breeder pretending to be just a dog lover.

    It’s a lie of course.

    Breeders don’t want to get licensed (which the larger ones would have to with mandatory spay neuter laws) because they are cheating on their taxes. And AKC breeders don’t want the puppy mills to pay higher licensing fees or go away, because that is less income for AKC and their puppy mill registration business.

    See how these people work? Once you recognize the propaganda, you can spot the fakes who are really breeder lobbyists.

    They don’t care about the dogs. They care about their BUSINESS.

  40. Sammi says:

    “How did HSUS get such a bad rap and what started all this?
    Thanks!”

    Andrea, perhaps my posts answer your questions.

    These breeder and other animal profiteers have been attacking ALL the humane groups for years.

    They are just focusing on HSUS now because HSUS is so successful at helping animals!!

  41. Sammi says:

    Sheila, from personal knowledge, you and your friends were supporting Ed Faron friend DOG FIGHTERS who wanted the dogs so they could continue to use them for fighting and breeding. You were trying to get the dogs turned over to DOG FIGHTERS posing as rescue groups!

    And you were letting DOG FIGHTERS know where the dogs were so they could steal them.

    Don’t blame HSUS here for the terrible things you people were trying to do to those pit bulls. You may have thought you were doing the right thing, but you were getting manipulated by DOG FIGHTERS AND PIT BULL BREEDERS who wanted to keep hurting those dogs.

    There are too many people in pit bull advocacy who are actually hurting pit bulls, and the Faron situation was one of the worst.

  42. Thanks for writing about this. There’s a bunch of great tech info on the internet. You’ve got a lot of that info here on your site. I’m impressed – I try to keep a couple blogs somewhat live, but it’s a struggle sometimes. You’ve done a big job with this one. How do you do it?

  43. I am ensnared with the notion of the liberation treatment to cure MS. From what data I can gather about clinics that provide treatment, I can only find one vague collection duplicated on a dozen websites. Is there a better way to locate treatment, per say in North America. There are places that offer Liberation Treatment for the United States that no one knows about, such as Liberation Treatment Now

  44. nixe says:

    Why did Wayne Pacelle, the head of HSUS:

    1. Participate in the slaughter of some 150 dogs, including puppies, in Wilkes County, NC?
    2. Lobby to stop No Kill legislation in King County, WA?
    3. Support breed discriminatory legislation in Indianapolis, IN that would have led to the round up and killing of Pit Bulls?
    4. Tell USA Today and Newsweek that killing in shelters is acceptable and that No Kill was warehousing?
    5. Mislead the public about an epidemic of dog bites to convey the view that trying to save Pit Bulls was irresponsible and put children at risk?
    6. Tell the court to kill Vick’s victims even as he was asking people to give HSUS money so he could “care” for them?
    7. Leave New Orleans with tens of millions given to HSUS for the victims of Hurricane Katrina even while those animals were still suffering?
    8. Legitimize the slaughter of virtually every animal at Tangipahoa Parish animal control?
    9. Tell people not to adopt animals during the holidays, effectively accepting the deaths of 1,000,000 animals as the alternative?
    10. Tell the Randolph, IA community that HSUS does not have a problem killing stray cats?
    11. Claim that rescued dogs in Missouri should face a “pretty certain death”?

    • Michella says:

      Its people like Nixe who come into these forums and spread the misinformation, the rumors, the alleged crimes. Its all bullshit really, Nixe do you have back up? I seriously doubt it…

  45. Fishstick says:

    Why is it that HSUS apologists never try to refute the arguments/facts of the CCF and instead attack the organization itself?

    Is that hard to understand why companies who use animal products would be against an organization that wants domesticated animals extinct? How does that make their arguments invalid?

    As for the CCF being against MADD…you know who als doesn’t like MADD? THE FOUNDER HERSELF. The organization became extremist and she left in 1985. Funny how HSUS apologists never mention that. I guess they also think its a good idea to make everyone pay to have a breathalyzer installed in their car.

    And Michella, there is this amazing thing called Google. Using it for like 15 minutes could confirm that the statements the poster said are true, unless you believe all news websites are lies.

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